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It's Brilliant
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Out of interest...
...if you're buying things based on reviews/scores, are you going for one over the other out of DiS and Pitchfork, or looking at both?
Only we gave Nouns a 9/10.
So I'd say yes: spent a tenner on it.
*spend
I'm not having a go
but a nine from Pitchfork is a lot rarer than one from DiS, therefore making the record stand-out a bit more.
That said
The DiS review is good
If someone bought all the albums DIS gives 9/10
they would soon be bankrupt. Having said that I have ordered the Nouns cd and can't wait to hear it.
It's in no way overrated
Get it
Definitely
I spent a lot on pre-ordering this week.
Mogwai Young Team re-issue, Superfuz Bigmuff re-issue, and Nouns. I NEVER pre-order.
got a link for that Young Team preorder?
Cannot miss out on the vinyl.
It's on amazon
just search for young team. Vinyl is ££££££££ though.
this album is almost nearly perfect... easily a 9 if not more it has been growing on me alot
I cant wait to get my hands on a proper copy maybe on rocord as well as CD and then some T-Shirts and genral No Age gubbins. Not to mention seeing them live heck that will be somat else.
i thought this was a bit high really
but im listening to it again and its sooooooooooo fucking good
No Age's album is really good
It's totally deserved.
I'm also going to plug Titus Andronicus (which I have been doing a lot) who pitchfork gave 8.5 to the other week but nobody seems to be talking about. They are AWESOME. I will get people liking this album.
http://www.myspace.com/titusandronicus
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/48863-the-airing-of-grievances
Really,
why do people pay so much attention to Pitchfork ratings?
The whole decimal placing thing is so irritatingly pretentious for a start
because they have a track
record of giving accurate reviews?
Pretty naff ones, to be honest
aye but lets be honest
we all love that feeling when we tell somebody about an ace band we got from Pitchfork
"ace band we got from Pitchfork"...
I'm afraid that hasn't happened to me yet!
See, now here's the problem
If we're going to turn against bands because a well respected magazine really likes their album, as indeed have a lot of well respected magazines, then we might as well all not bother.
Why are people against being interested in records that get a good review?
There are so many records released reviews act as a good filter and pitchfork has a reputation for accurate reviews (Hercules And Love Affair aside).
It's harder to buy records based on DiS reviews because they tend to be written by fan's of the paticular artist there fore the high weighting of 9/10 reviews. However DiS reviews are still enjoyable to read because of the author interst in their subject.
oh come on fizzybovril
you havent been in the game long enough!
Pretentious
1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious.
In what way is fixing a decimal point to the end of a score pretentious? For one thing, it means they don't spunk out 9/10s like DiS, which in turn means people actually sit up and take notice if a record gets over 9/10.
Not really fair to say we 'spunk them out'
I think there's been two in the past month (April, not including No Age since that's only out today). In A Month in Records, only Frightened Rabbit received a 9/10, and IMHO it wasn't worth that.
March was an odd month, with Mystery Jets and Cadence Weapon and Why?. But they're all easy 9/10 records. If there's one thing DiS writers are guilty of it's giving an album 8/10 when it's more likely a 7 or even a 6, but I can't listen to everything before/while subbing/uploading, so I'm not always in a position to mark a review down. Or up, for that matter!
The other April 9/10
bring Half Man Half Biscuit, which didn't run until May.
Sorry
was probably unfair, but at the same time I think you give too many out. Of course that's in part down to your scoring system, which was kind of my point e.g. you gave Antidotes a 9 when you admitted it would have received an 8.6 in a Pitchfork-style scoring system. An 8.6, while obviously an excellent score, doesn't have quite the same resonance as a 9, if you see what I mean.
Ahem
The Dø: A Mouthful
9/10
Now are you still sure not too many 9/10's are being handed out? If your answer is no then your punishment is to listen to this album
.
"If there's one thing DiS writers are guilty of it's giving an album 8/10 when it's more likely a 7 or even a 6"
correct.
but DiS is always going to focus on albums in the general ballpark of what might appeal to its readers and writers, so reviews are always going to congregate around 7, 8 and 9. There'd be more 3s, 4s and 5s - giving the 10-point score more points of reference - only if they started covering shite that nobody's interested in anyway.
I just don't understand
why Pitchfork don't just admit they use percentages.
I think the overall presumption on this thread...
is that people could give, even the slightest damn, about what reviewers or "critics" think in the first place. If these critics knew the secret to good music, they'd do it themselves.
Well said, Fizzy.
Surely in an era when we can all listen to music on line as easily as we can read a critic's opinion, criticism could be argued to be superfluous ?
Rubbish
Whether you're talking about a professional review from DiS/PF or your best friend's opinion reviews are absolutely necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff. There's simply too much music to say, "just listen" ...what? to every band. C'mon, now.
I have been a critic of DiS scoring myself (and guilty of it too) but lemme say this. DiS doesn't have the manpower to print 5 reviews a day and as a consequence "picks" the reviews it wishes to post. Therefore, it has rightly tended to feature the better albums. PF's average score is a 6.8. My guess is the DiS average score would only be slightly higher.
If you go back and read Ryan Schreiber's shitty reviews when PF when DiS's age... you'll see that very soon DiS will be as good as those american fuckers. They just have a five year headstart.
Reviews are still nonsense...
Why is one person's view on a record more valid than another's person view who may hold a different opinion?
Who cares about scores and decimal points, they're all meaningless. If I like it, I like it, if I don't, I don't.
Before the internet, I could probably understand reviews were more important because there was no, or at least very little, benefit of preview. But now, with the internet and in terms of music, they're irrelevant.
Friend recommendations will always mean more than the recommendations of a self-appointed critic.
Professional reviews
do so much more than give a thumbs up or thumbs down. In addition to opinion they also provide a vast amount of information and insight.
And I seriously doubt your friends listen to every worthy record nor do I think they can articulate it as well as PF and DiS writers do.
Anyway, the No Age album is brilliant. Even though I live in Los Angeles, wanna guess how I know about them? Yeah, from DiS and PF.
So,
you're saying that one reviewer potentially listens to more records than five or six people who also happen to be heavily into music? That doesn't make sense, even statistically.
Reviews are dying, get used to it.
If there is a review of an album...
you haven't heard and it is a positive review and you feel that you may like it then i think it is ok to go ahead and listen to it. It does not matter how many albums the reviewer has heard recently.
Why are people coming to a music review site?
and saying they have no interest in music reviews?
As OceanRain correctly states there is so much music around reviews act as a filter to get to the good stuff.
Surely the spread of an albums popularity has always been driven in some pare to positive reviews.
Agreed the internet allows people to listen to more music than they ever could before but I think it would be difficult for anyone to get through the sheer amount of music available.
I tend not to go of the word of one reviewer but if 3or4 people are giving good reviews it will spark my interest
I love Metacritic as a gauge,
because there's obviously no smoke without fire (in most cases), and its a good way to find out about well-recieved music that you wouldn't have known about.
Plus its always nice when you WANT an album to get a good review and it does. As well as its nice to read other people's opinions.
But I can't understand why anybody would put their trust in a single website/reviewer. Which is where my problem with Pitchfork as a barometer of taste/whats actually good, comes in. That's just nonsense -- elitist nonsense.
Metacritic's kind of useful
I think its main problem is that it only covers albums from the last few years. Although I do remember someone on this site saying that different sources have more or less weight in the overall score, which would be ridiculous. The other problem is that unless all the reviewers of each album are as 'into' it to start with as each other, the number given to the album will be even less relevant (for example, a niche album is probably less likely to be liked by mainstream journalists).
Pitchfork 9.0+s
used to be a lot more common. from about 2000-2004 you could expect at least one a month. Nowadays they have completely overhauled their scoring system, and anything above an 8.0 is worth shouting about (in their opinion). 9.0+s come about 3 or 4 times a year.
Take from that what you will.
'Nouns' is truly great, though.