Of his phone and his watch, 8 black boys with knvies and ski masks, we put up a fight untill they all pulled the knvies out, but i mean we got mugged AT LAKESIDE, lived in east london all my life never been touched, go to fucking lakeside and my mate gets mugged.
Sorry needed the rant.
Oh dear.
Isn't that place full of cctv cameras? Or is that just Bluewater?
yea...
but they were all wearing ski masks :(
That's pretty shit.
In those situations you just do what they say and then get the hell away as quickly as possible. People have been stabbed for no reason in group muggings like this before.
I'm just counting down to the point
where one of the resident Guardianistas accuses you of being a racist.
Bad luck though, that sucks. Good move not fighting back once the blades were produced.
yep, that's me!
Of course I feel sorry for you, Maxter - but I never feel compelled to mention someone's race when something bad has happened to me. That's all.
why mention that they're black?
Is this necessary?
Fuck me, that was quicker than expected!
hardly perceptive to say "huh when you say something racist, people will call you racist"
He mentioned that they were boys too, does that make him sexist?
Man the fuck up Guardianistas, man the fuck up.
"boys" is easier to say than "people"
"black boys" is going to a particular effort to point out that they were black
"Boys" is easier to say than "people"?
It is one less syllable...
Seriously though, what was racist about his post?
He mentioned the fact that the 8 kids who mugged him were black.
I was the 'victim' of an attempted mugging once, the guy who tried to mug me was asian. I mentioned that to the cops and various friends, does that offend you?
I repeatedly punched him in the face too, does that make me guilty of a racist attack? I'd have reacted the same way whatever his facial pigmentation.
wtf zsazsa
he mentioned they were black cos thats what they were, nothing racist there if he wanted to be racist he would have said something like 8 niggaz or coons...
^ idiot
what a fucking balloon. there's no need use words like that. if you'd said that infront of me i'd have probably hit you.
Why would it offend me if you report it to the police?
I think it's obviously useful when you want the person to be identified and caught, but in this context, seems a bit pointless.
maybe not
what if a DISer saw a group of 8 black boys before or after the mugging in the Lakeside area? they could maybe help nail these bastards
Shouldn't he have given a time
and precise location?
probably
it just annoys me that if you mention anything to do with race you are automatically labelled a racist
I can see your point
and at times I get frustrated at how overly-sensitive people get about these things but on this one I'm tempted to side with the PC brigade.
Mentioning the skin colour does seem a tad superfluous in such a short description and, whilst that wouldn't necessarily mean anything in itself, my recollections of the guy's previous posts on subjects around race lead me to see it as being a bit more than a casual remark.
This isn't Crimewatch!
...at approximately 4.25pm between Tie Rack and Millie's Cookies.
I know it isn't
I was just pointing out Denise-Richards' suggested that he might be doing it to help "nail these bastards" doesn't entirely work...
In fairness, Maxster does have a wee bit of a track record here.
I can see how someone could casually mention they were black without making any kind of racist comment but I'm pretty sure I can remember Maxster posting a few dodgy things before and I've some skepticism as to how many times someone can "inadvertently" sound racist.
?
'I repeatedly punched him in the face too, does that make me guilty of a racist attack? I'd have reacted the same way whatever his facial pigmentation'
'You can't even drink black coffee these days, without being called a racist!' etc
To be fair, you're not doing much to dispel
that popular opinion.
popular opinion?
I think that's just an argument made by people that want the Black and White Minstrel show, two TV channels, and the Monarchy to be respectable again.
It was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction, but it does bug me when people go on about 'big black' guys or 'black kids' (not the band, obvs). I'm 5ft 2 and Asian and could easily go on about being followed by 'big white guys' but don't. That's all. Anyway, I wasn't entirely wrong on that front.
Yes, I would say that the perception that
certain people are ludicrously oversensitive when it comes to all things race related (however tenuous) is widely held.
It's also a widely held belief amongst said easily offended types that anyone who disagrees with their right-on stance is OMGZ, like so racist!!!11
The sad thing is, that much like the boy who cried who wolf they only seek to undermine those who genuinely are suffering as a result of discrimination, whatever their race.
my view is that if you don't challenge it when it's there
then you're not standing by your beliefs, that's all. There's a difference between ignorance and outright racism - and most people (white and black) are likely to experience/see the former (on an daily basis). So, yes, you have to pick and choose your fights.
I hardly think pointing this on an internet music forum is going to undermine the chances of someone getting a job/housing etc.
He just annoyed me with needlessly pointing out the race of the culprits, that's all. Fair enough, he's had a shit experience.
it's not a popular opinion
its a twattish minority's opinion.
bringing someone's race into something when it's completely irrelevent is racist.
Haha
That was beyond swift!
I too was waiting for someone to accuse himf racism.
I was waiting for you to make your appearance on the claiming benefits thread
and lo, you did!
how did you know they were black?
If they had ski masks on?
probably their evil little monkey paws
lol!
:O
just because he mentioned that the guys who mugged his mate were black doesn't mean that it's racist
even i, a black man, do not find that racist at all.
well done to you
have a biscuit
don't just fob him off
he's got a point.
i dont think the fact that he's black changes anything
in my opinion, making references to peoples races for no reason is racist, whether one person of a different race agrees with me or not
No it's not
Not being able to make reference to peoples race is absolutely ridiculous.
im not saying that people can't make references to people's race
i'm saying that if you do it for no reason, i will consider what you've said to be racist. feel free to explain why this is ridiculous.
he used the fact that they
were black as a way of describing them
not meant in a dispariging sense as far as i can see
It's just descriptive...
Saying you can't mention peoples race is putting a negative emphasis on race...
again
you can mention race as much as you like. just if it seems superfluous to me, i will consider it, myself, to be racist.
as i said in the other thread, i don't find the original post very offensive at all - just a little poorly worded in a manner that i consider racist.
on a broader level, emphasis is on race because it's not something that people have any say over, and its one that it very often irrelevent
It's a difficult one.
It would have been unlikely anyone would have started this thread saying "I got mugged by a dark-haired guy" or "I got mugged by a guy with a beard" or "I got mugged by a guy in a t-shirt" so it's a bit more than descriptive (i.e. the very fact he mentioned it implied it was considered a relevant detail to telling the story in a way other physical descriptions might not be).
On the other hand, it is true that one can easily mention someone's race without being racist or negative. I can certainly see why people are questioning why Maxster saw the race as relevant (which he clearly did on some level or else he wouldn't have mentioned it) but at the same time it's probably not helpful to assume racism.
Certainly I think Zsa Zsa's original question ("Why mention they're black? Is this necessary?") is a fair question to ask and it wasn't unreasonable to challenge Maxster's mention of the skin colour but at the same time the fact someone felt the need to challenge doesn't necessarily mean one should assume he was being racist.
I got mugged by
8 guys with beards.
^ this!
Yes, it was a neutral question.
I think it's okay to ask those questions when someone presents you with an odd, not quite
relevant detail like race.
how is it a relevent way to describe them?
i'd think "a bunch of guys in ski masks" would probably be the first thing i mentioned. muggers being black isnt out of the ordinary, just as them being white or asian isn't
It's just presumed
what is ??
the fact that because they are muggers they must be black ?
Yeah, it was a joke see?
LOL etc...
Shut up
You are such a fucking libby cretin ZsaZsa!
Why the fuck not mention it? If he reported it to the police do you think they'd have any hesitation in asking what colour the assaillants were?
If you were swimming and got attacked by a shark (please Lord!) and survived (Damn you Lord!), when retelling the story would you miss out the bit where the shark nearly bit you in half out of fear of inciting negative vibes about your fabulous finny friends?
You're a PC facist who really needs to look beyond the Guardian for her moralistic values.
is that you, nick griffin?
hey cock face!
Are you still fighting the gypo scum?
Look, your headwear conveys what a simple person you are, so I'm not sure why I'm responding.
Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever. What the fuck am I going to say - I got bit in half by a goldfish?
I don't think black people are a separate species.
Firstly, can I just say,
in reference to my simplicity; my IQ is probably double yours. I don't like to brag but there, you've forced me to do it by making that rather dull headwear/intelligence comment again.
Secondly, the shark analogy was, admittedly, a bit shit but I was just imagining a scenario whereby you got half eaten.
And thirdly, I abhor racism, i really do, but I also hate the complacency and the reactionary shite at the other end of the spectrum where entirely decent people are afraid to use the freedom of speech that we are all entitled to for fear of being labelled a racist. Now I would never want that freedom of speech abused by real racist scum to incite violence or ill will against any race, but when we get in a situation where we are not allowed to mention the colour of a persons skin in a certain situation well...well thats something to be really frightened of.
decent honest hard working tax paying
white british people... oh wait.
the fact that you place such
importance on IQ really does reflect badly on you. If IQ really was that important, we would all get formally tested.
And I genuinely doubt, on the basis of your previous posts, that you are any more intelligent than most of the people on here. The fact that you made two terrible analogies in the first place suggests you aren't particularly perceptive, imaginative or bright. Sorry to break it to you.
My question - I genuinely wanted to know. Yes, it was slightly provocative to ask, given the posting history of some people, such as yourself (no offence, some of my closest relatives are Tories). But Maxster didn't respond. If he said, 'I thought it was relevant because....' then we'd know. But he posted a separate thread. Fine.
I don't think there's anything wrong with asking such questions - there's ignorance and there's racism and there's nothing wrong with asking why someone's said something. It's sad that it's impossible because people want to get aggressive about it, and immediately start going on about freedom of speech. It's my freedom of speech to ask a question, right?
Yeah you didnt ever call him a racist
just implied his comment could be construed that way, and it was a bit of a silly thing to say on Maxters part.
For the record
I don't place a high importance on IQ, seeing as i'm busy at the moment it was just a quick way for me to quantify my intelligence when it was questioned by you.
And i'm sorry that your life must be so unfulfilling that you have time to go back and check my previous posts which, might I add, are more often than not totally tongue in cheek. It saddens me that you feel you are able judge a persons perceptiveness, imagination and intelligence merely by studying the throwaway posts they make on a messageboard. But that is perhaps where you and I differ; I place no importance on this messageboard and have a life outside the four sides of this computer screen.
You're right, there's ignorance and there's racism and mentioning the colour of someones skin when you are retelling a story is neither. And to the other posters who stated that it wasn't an integral element to the story; it was an element of the story and he had every right to mention it without fear of recrimination. Do newspapers in this country censor out such detail? No, and be thankful for it.
And lastly, Zsazsa, that tory comment is the most offensive thing you've said to me. Lowblow!
I haven't taken the time to check your previous posts
so don't flatter yourself. Also, some of us can rely on memory - not sure why you think I would take the time to go back and look.
You were incredibly bilious and nasty in the last thread I remember you doing (something about 'gypo scum').
I don't know why you have issues with me. I made fun of your taste in headwear? That seems to offend you quite a bit. There are plenty of people on here who say things in a fairly tongue-in-cheek way, but they are actually quite funny and have interesting takes on most issues.
anyway
I'm working at the moment too, and have no time for this. I find it pretty sad that you have to be so deeply unpleasant, but that's your problem.
You do realise neither of your analogies work?
The police obviously need to know what the assailants look like 'cos they need to find and arrest them. No-one on this messageboard is likely to be out searching for the muggers tonight so there's absolutely no way you can claim we need the information in the same way.
The shark thing works even worse 'cos the being bitten in half would be an integral part of the story whereas the entire point ZsaZsa's made is that (regardless of whether you do or don't think it's racist to mention the skin colour) there's absolutely no way you could claim the skin colour ot be integral to the story. So the analogy simply doesnt' work.
As I've said elsewhere I don't necessarily think it is racist to mention the skin colour and understand why people think some people in this thread are being hyper-sensitive. And I think some people have made some good arguments here about how it can be problematic to see racism every time race is mentioned in conversation. But your post isn't really thought through, doesn't work on any level and you seem to have missed the point of the entire discussion.
yeah mate
but is it racist to get angry cos polish people are taking all the jobs and cars and shit?
i dont have to worry as a musician but some people do.
lol!
The Polish people are shit-thieves!
So THAT'S
what all that cheap plumbing is about.
obviously some kind of exchange
cheap plumbing rates, in exchange of all our shit!
Bastards.
They run off with the shit in the stolen cars.
The FUCKERS!
And the worst thing is The Guardian would never report it because they're too afraid...
I want my bodily waste back!
The Guardian's lack of reporting on this issue really gets me down. I've got a right to my shit, without foreigners jumping the queue.
Fucking 'libbies'.
You do realise nothing you said related to anything I said?
Not sure why you replied under me there.
You're in luck...
the Times today said they're going home.
that's like sayingwhy bother mentioning they
were boys.
surely.
no because you have to describe them somehow
he chose to say boys instead of people perhaps, but the fact is he would have had to mention that, the colour of their skin is completely irrelevant and seems there is an implied hint of racism there. Of course it could just be something he said and i doubt there was any malice in it, but its just a bit questionable to bring into the equation skin colour when it is completely unwarranted.
It seems to me
to appear more "racist" to think "oh he said they're black I have to question this to appear P.C." if he had said they were white would you have said anything? It shouldn't matter that he said they were black, it's just a description after all. As stated below he said they were boys, but this didn't cause any offence.
*
above
But would he have mentioned it if they were white?
I think that's what people are asking.
I just
feel that people are overly keen to play the racist card at any given opportunity (for fear of/to prevent themselves being seen as racist. When in a lot of cases the whole "racist" issue doesn't need to be mentioned at all.
I would definitely have noticed if he said
"my friend got mugged by eight white boys".
The first thing that I would notice would be that phrase. My entire focus would be on that phrase. Would you not find that odd at all?