I'm going to watch this shortly if this rapidshare dump is genuine.
Is it really that good?
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yes
it's surprisingly good.
^ Yes.
Forget about all those rubbish people going on about the 'indie' factor and just watch it, you'll enjoy it.
not good enough for another thread
imo
Jeebus Crisps
If you like sarcastic teenagers who sound like they're just reading from a script, a million embarrassing pop culture references and a whole load of BLAH that doesn't go anywhere, GO FOR IT :)
This is EXACTLY what I want.
:)
"reading from a script"
lol.
you'd think the whole thing was made up!
"sound like they're just reading from a script"
not LOL
Yes
I reaaally enjoyed it!
it's alright
the 'juno' character is mildly irritating, but it's a nic ending.
Worse part was
the joke about Morgan Freeman and the "do you need any bones collecting?" line.
Why, of all the things to say, would anyone in the whole world ever say that?
was morgan freeman even in the bone collector???
im pretty sure it was denzel washington. i didn't know if i was a genuine mistake or a joke about people who get black people mixed up. me and my friend have a very long joke about mixing up black people who look nothing like eachother. its funny. but is this???
nah...she's a quirky bastard
not at all irritating.
in. the. slightest.
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^
amazing
SERIOUSLY over-rated
Would probably pork the girl (pregnant or not) but only if she stopped talking like a fucking idiot. Though I suppose putting my cock in her mouth would shut her up pretty quick.
"pork the girl"
made me laugh
Awesomeness.
My copy is a DVDRip.
Bye!
Yes, but did you enjoy it?
it's good but
half the script makes you cringe. SHUT UP ABOUT SONIC YOUTH ALREADY. WE KNOW YOU'RE COOL. SHUT UP.
GREAT movie
a little too hipster at times, but pretty much ace overall
Juno:
Daria gets pregnant.
^ ha
absolutley!
a friend of mine dubs it...
"The Hoosiers of the film world".
So obviously constructed to be a 'cool' cult film.
Despite this ^ i quite enjoyed it.
I laughed when Juno said "Kud-os!"
Do Americans actually say that? I just thought it was a myspace thing. o.O
Play a game, count the Sunny D references.
Myspace didn't invent 'kudos' you know.
Metropolis Street Racer on the Dreamcast did. Project Gotham Racing just elaborated on it.
Sorry - i was too busy playing
with those little colourful hatching things on sonic.
i'd have given those kudos!
Lookee
http://www.answers.com/kudos?cat=biz-fin
Very old word.
Any film with that much Kimya Dawson
is worthy of a couple of hours of my time.
it's pretty awful
it's basically the michael bay of indie film: with coke product placement replaced with cool underground indie signifier placement. also incredibly patronising. and the girl is pretty irritating.
its like that advert
with the painting the rainbow over the room thing except 90 minutes long and featuring a sarcastic annoying teenage girl.
YES
i really hate juno. can this be the last thread ever please (unless it's hate-related)?
oh dear
that's the worst advert ever. I'll watch it anyway though, cos I like Michael Cera and being patronised.
surely
wes anderson is the michael bay of "indie" film. i dont think the girl was nearly as irritating as his characters usually are...
It doesn't look like something I want to see
but enough of my friends do want to see it for it to seem likely I will
Bah
Every time I see this I think of A Future Lived in Past Tense. Juno split didn't they?
Their split EP with Dismemberment Plan is amazing
DP's cover of 'Crush' by Jennifer Page is amaing/terrifying.
But yes, they've unfortunately split :(
It's probably the best film
ever made.
Like a mix of PT Anderson, Tim Burton and Wes Anderson.
With a score by Battles.
that band are awesome
film looks shite, mind.
Hehe, if you're replying to me
then I was joking, Battles don't soundtrack the film.
I know
I also wasn't referring to Battles because they're shite too. I was referring to the band 'Juno'
Arlie Carstens
plays in Ghost Wars now, there was a track at myspace.com/ghostwarsmusic, can't check at work if there's any more up now though. The track I heard was damn good, kind of like the slow build intro to The French Letter but with some male/female vocal harmonies
i was hoping this would be a thread
about how awesome 'juno' the track off the life without buildings album is.
The Parkour scene in James Bond was good though!
Is there a parkour scene in Juno? No Parkour = big fat ju-NO
i saw it on friday.
i liked it. it was cute and funny. the dialogue felt especially scripted and wasnt natural and stuff, but i can forgive it because it was just nice and made me happy.
i would fully recommend it.
the final scene
made me want to burn my eyes out and kill all indie fans.
you are cold, jamie summers.
a cold hearted machine.
this, exactly
in reference to everyone going on about how terrible it is: yeah, it's overly hyped and hipsterish and cutesy, but some of us enjoy lighthearted cutesy hipsterism. if you despise that sort of thing you really shouldn't have watched it.
I saw this last night and really really enjoyed it.
I don't get all the hate. You've just got to enjoy it for what it is. It's sweet and cute and funny and that's it really. Just depends on whether you enjoy that sort of thing.
thats what they want you to think
now go buy the soundtrack please.
Watchable enough
but pretty poor all things considered, infuriatingly irritating at times.
It has at least finally convinced me that plinky-plonky antifolk is inimical to good art though.
The thing that gets me is how
everyone's like oh what a sleeper hit, an indie film that's taking on the big boys from such modest roots blah blah
Still funded by fox, even though under their pseudo-indie "searchlight" subsidiary
And it's being very very heavily advertised EVERYWHERE so it's not exactly word-of-mouth at it's finest is it?
As an aside, I think the acting is excellent (even jennifer garner is great) but the script is woeful.
I saw it preview last year at the LFF. The director was there and introduced Diablo Cody onstage by saying "you're going to remember this moment for the rest of your lives, you'll tell your grandchildren that you were there when Diablo Cody was at the Juno premiere blah blah blah" like she's some sort of fucking genius
Her script is shite. The film is saved by the acting. And the soundtrack nearly made me vomit several times, especially the velvet underground one- GAG
also
produced by John Malkovich and featuring lots of known name actors and actresses. actually, I don't think there was a main actor or actress in it that I hadn't seen in things before.
also this sentence
'Diablo Cody is the pen name of Brook Busey-Hunt'
Surprisingly found that i really enjoyed this film
excellent acting by all. especially Ellen Page in the lead role. Yes the script was a little contrived here and there, but as someone else said, it's saved by the cast. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the sound track was dreadful.
...
so what? all of these american pseudo "independent" films are like that these days...
well indeed
but the whole PR campaign for juno pitches it as the quirky unique underdog made for 10p by a bunch of lucky chancers, when in fact its probably one of the most cynical and patronising films i've ever seen. its 95% marketing and 5% enjoyable bits, and the enjoyable bits were hard to enjoy when they were so surrounded by the stench of fakeness.
why did you find it patronising and cynical?
i thought there was much less of that relative to what ive come to expect of that kind of film...
i havent really paid much attention to the PR campaign other than noticing a few posters to be honest.
the dialogue was sprinkled
with far too many daria-esque sarcastic bits of dialogue, self-conscious teenage slang and references to indie bands to ever feel like normal conversations. it wanted to be 'cool' more than it wanted to be in any way realistic.
you dont like daria either :( do you have a soul?
im tempted to say
"so what? all of these american pseudo "independent" films are like that these days..."
i grant the script was a bit clunky in places, ive seen much worse get praised though, i thought the acting was by and large pretty good and there was genuine emotion in the story.
im pretty skeptical when people complain about the 'realism' or otherwise of things like this. or do you object to this kind of pseudo imdependent film wholesale?
daria's good.
its good because its a cartoon and it knows that the daria character is silly.
why would not finding this film realistic mean that i would object to all 'independent' film wholesale? which i dont by the way. i had a feeling that little miss sunshine would be overly cynical and annoying and hipster due to the rather cynical advertising, but luckily it turned out to be hilarious and heartwarming. juno turned out how i thought little miss sunshine would before i'd seen it.
thats a relief then
and, it doesnt necessarily mean that you would object to it, i was just wondering if you did. i think you could make the case that this sort of thing is never 'realistic'. what people regard as 'realistic' in this sort of thing tends to vary quite a lot... i was just wondering if not liking juno was a symptom of a wider dislike. evidently not though.
if people dislike the movie
i can understand that, but to criticise it for its marketing is stupid. Especially when you have this indier than thou attitude towards it..'how dare they call it indie they dont even know what real indie is'
believe me I have NO idea
what real indie is!
The marketing irritates me sure, but hey, lots of films I like have had an irritating marketing strategy
I just don't like it because the script is shite
the thing is since the early 90s
the miramax and sundance explosions etc, there's not reaaaally been much of a proper indie underground; the markets been analysed and so if a film has appeal then it will get made and get shown in the right places. Peter Biskind's book Down And Dirty Pictures covers it all really well; he'd no doubt have a lot to say about Juno.
i'm sorry,
but where are these people who are calling it a 'sleeper hit' from 'modest roots'? i genuinely don't understand where this thing about it being a 'fake indie film' is coming from. as far as i'm aware the only thing about it that's being billed as 'indie' is the soundtrack.
and also, WHO CAAAARES. it's hardly a good reason to dislike a film. jeez, it's the whole 'indie band on major label isn't really indie' argument, except EVEN MORE STUPID.
its a very valid reason
because in this case the content reflects the packaging. every piece of soundtrack music, every line of dialogue, every bit of hipster slang, clothing worn, is aimed at a certain demographic who also like things that are (supposedly) uncommercial and unique and cool.
y'know, it's quite nice not being cynical
and being able to enjoy things for what they are without constantly thinking about demographics and marketing and ulterior motives.
you should try it sometime :D
i'm only cynical
if something warrants it.
intentional fallacy.
what it is aimed at is irrelevant. what matters is how you respond to it. if you go on with a cynical attitude of 'i dont like this because it is aimed at x' then you won't like it, obviously.
totally true
ultimately the point is whether it's any good or not. I don't think it is... and it riles us all when everyone's raving about something we think is not what it's cracked up to be
I think the "stench of fakeness" does actually get in the way of how much I enjoyed it though unfortunately
Superbad did the whole teen movie thing much much better IMO, and was ultimately much more touching without the relentless twee assault
^^^^ response to Constellation
indeed
i never knew any teenagers who were so unselfconsciously twee and self satisfied as the ones in juno. the ones in superbad were indeed somehow far more real and relatable despite the stupidity of the subject matter.
I think twee 'outsider' types work best in isolation
Within the context of um, normal characters, like Michael Cera in superbad etc
However when the film is full of them it all gets bit much (Napoleon Dynamite etc)
yeah,
i can completely understand why it might not be to everyone's taste, and also that the huge amount of attention it's getting must be pretty irritating, but using the 'hay it's not really indie it was funded by fox' argument is just lame.
its not if we're criticising
the way its marketed, which we were.
again, when was it actually marketed as 'indie'?
this is a genuine question. i kind of live under a rock and pay very little attention to things like marketing strategies, so i might have missed something. yeah, it comes across as trying to be very hipsterish in every way, but as far as i'm aware nobody ever actually said "THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT FILM".
have you not seen
the adverts on this site? on pitchfork?
they must send out press releases saying how indie it is because because every article on it i've seen has stressed its underdog amateur indieness.
well yeah,
but those are for the soundtrack, not the movie (on here anyway, i haven't seen the pitchfork ones), which is understandable, as it's the kind of music these sites cater to.
nothing i've read has said anything about indieness, but granted, i haven't read very many articles on it.
I don't think they did
it's her first screenplay isn't it? That's all I know. I'm sure the adverts on here and pitchfork are due to the Moldy Peaches/Kimya Dawson connection. So what?
Side note: I found the namedropping pretty cringeworthy but probably most people don't count the Melvins and the Stooges among their favourite bands (even though they should obviously) so wouldn't have even noticed it going on.
Anyway, I enjoyed this film. It was good. 7/10. The acting was great. I would probably be a bit mental if I was Jason Bateman playing a pretty slimy dude in everything.
but the way it is marketed
has nothing to do with the film itself. it isnt indie. we're all aware of that. no-one really cares. i mean, its on in the big chain cinemas. it is a given that it isnt.
sure, maybe they've played up the 'underdog' thing to a level which goes beyond the true roots of the claim, but y'know, thats the way cinema works.
if you don't like the film, you don't like the film. i can see why there are objectionable aspects. the script is not 'realistic'. but your objections seem totally unfounded. you're complaining at how it is marketed and the people its aimed at. these are absurd bases for objection. the film is what it is. if you're busy focusing on the reasons behind every decision made in the creation or marketing of it, looking for flaws, clearly you aren't going to enjoy it. see it for what it is. if you don't like that, then you don't like it. thats fine. but you're criticisms are largely non-sensical.
well not really cos its the first thing
anyone mentions when the films comes up for discussion
It's just plain wrong to say that it's an indie film when it's not! I'm not protesting at an opinion which doesn't exist!
I think the marketing is not an issue
when you are actually watching a movie it's the actual content that matters. A couple of the standout things to come out of the movie for me was the maturity shown by the lead and her peers towards pregnancy and elements of life in general. I also thought the film down-played the over dramatics and loaded it with poignancy, which imo is what makes this movie so good.
^this