This is probably an age old thread on here, but is anyone totally FUCKING bored of the NME? Does anybody actually take it seriously anymore? Why have they borrowed their design/layout/and writing style off of heat magazine? I would rather eat my own teeth than read it again......and i am actually interested in what people think, does anyone still look forward to every wednesday?........let the boycott begin!
NME, you say?
Never heard of it.
Now, Melody Maker, there was a fine publication........
good point
they should bring back that or 'Sounds'
is that the band...
who don't write songs about Castles?
It might be the 1500th thread of this variety
but in the parlous state it's in, there can never be too many. This isn't mindless webslaggery - I'd just really like to see it worth reading again, because I miss it being worth buying. The only times I get one these days is if there's some CD or whatever that's worth the admission fee in itself - and the magazine just makes me so angry every time.
Still, as a lot of people are aware - who knows what'll happen with NME in the near future, given current events...
I realised NME was a sham
When it created "New Rave" hype and then declared it a joke within months, as though it had nothing to do with them. Took me a while, I know.
well i apologise.....
im new to this, and this must have been a very popular topic over recent times, sorry to re-hash it!
But i agree with you, i would love to see it great again, it has seemed to favour sales rather than content, but what i dont think they realise is, you can have both......its all fucking ringtone adverts, gossip columns and hair care products!......i was sat near the editor the other night at a awards ceremony....he dresses like a cunt.....
I never thought i would say this, but lets take a leaf out of THe Levellers books and send them a turd in a box....if they receive enough turds, do you think they will get the message?
im off to find a suitable size box....
shoe,
now I see what ruffians you associate with! how did he dress cuntishly by the by
......
first off, he is just generally ugly with greasy hair, but a BRIGHT orange shirt and a suit that was way to small (but as though it was MEANT to be too small), with bright orange socks, and crap pointy shoes....the sort first time offenders buy from top shop for their court hearing.......he had an air of, 'im a dick' about him.....
this thread has soon gone into a bitchy gossip column! now see how it easy it is, i forgive the nme fully....
the
irony is delicious. But what alternatives are there? (outside London)
.
No solutions built to last
Just your petty scores to settle fast
The enemy (NME) meant nothing to you
And the maker (Melody Maker), well the maker of who
Your walkman generation
In search of sweet sedation
While forests choke under a lever sky
And the Exxon birds that will never fly
100 Years of Solitude - The Levellers
....
yeah, sorry, although i mentioned the levellers turdy prank, doesnt mean i want to read their lyrics.....or ever hear their music ever again.....i think dogs should be kept on leads, not string...and i only drink cider when its overpriced and some uber-barman tells me i must drink it in a glass with ice....
for crying in a
bucket. If I hear one more sad, 35 year-old man declaim 'Oh the NME's not like it used to be, y'know', I shall drop a piano on myself.
It's not the passing of some halcyon magazine age you're mourning, chum, it's your own youth. If you're not a teenager, then why do you feel you have any franchise in whether it is or isn't any good anyway? Shut up your face and get back to dribbling incontinently over Beirut, or Dan Deacon, or Emmy The Great, or somesuch insufferably worthy act.
"Oh, I remember receiving a Jesus and Mary Chain cover-mount flexi-disc in 1985. Its been downhill ever since." Excuse me while I anaesthetise my frontal lobes.
There's a shop in Soho that sells back-issues from the 80s and 90s. Go down there and tell me whether the Tim Booth cover emblazoned "Are James ready for superstardom?" strikes you as eternally relevant.
The point is, its not mean to be. NME's a defiantly pop-music oriented weekly aimed at actual young people, not those who merely fantasise about an idealised youth.
Alternatively, if you want to be all snooty and grown-up, you can read Kev Kharas or Dom Passantino talking down to you and polishing their scenester credentials right here right now. Go do it!
Conor may be a dick, but guys, have you ever actually met Sean Adams? Bit of a dick.
nun
that's a bit extreme maybe? although I do agree that this site can be a bit eletist. Occasionally.
plus,
I agree and I AM a teenager.
.....
but i am neither in my 30's or missing a bygone age... You just have to worry about the state of music when ALOT of people take their only dose of news from a self sastisfied, smug, left handed wank of a publication. I beleive its important to have a popular element, to draw people into music, but that doesnt mean you have your cock firmly placed in whichever band has the haircut of the week...they could do alot more with what they have.......oh, and i think putting down anyone who decides to say it is shit as being 35/a muso is just fucking lazy. get a proper retort
This ^
Is what I meant to say. But doing coursework has blunted my already pathetic eloquence.
.....
and atilla, you just posted THE EXACT same comment in the 'morrisey arguement'....... ctrl+c and ctrl+v are no basis for an argument
Presumably changing the bit so it said "35 year old"
unless he was replying to a post by me in that one as well.
Give it a rest
Yes, I am over 30. No, I do not expect a Shed Seven retrospective in every issue. I used to get into loads of bands through NME and would like that to be the case again.
Just because you pass 30 doesn't mean your critical faculties suddenly desert you. I'd write more but my colostomy bag has just burst.
i'm over 35 and quite frankly...
couldn't give a toss about the nme. i thought it was great when i was a teenager but things move on. even if it stayed exactly how it was in the 80's i doubt it'd be relevant today with the internet now giving us all we need.
also, it's always created scenes and killed them off within months. c86, shoegazing & madchester were three I can remember, none of which lasted any longer than 6 months.
i don't remember a jesus and mary chain flexi cover-mount, i'll have to look for that on ebay... i thought i had all their back catalogue!!!
stool pigeon is best music publication around these days, i wish it would go monthly or even weekly.
i just think it's a shame that
they don't take advantage of the position they're in with regards to pushing unique exciting unsigned bands or acts on smaller labels. so many kids take what they say as gospel that they could genuinely change music for the better, quite easily. they have the name (still, despite it having been shit for some time), the funds and the contacts to really make a difference, but they don't, they just stick out this half adverts/half bumfest shiny tat once a week. it's a shame, as some of their writers are very talented. the last one i read they gave Dirty Projectors a fifty word review, inbetween a HUGE and pointless review of a Led Zep reissue and their 112th consecutive Bloc Party live review. if the people that ran it had any brains at all they'd get rid of the clown who edits it, then perhaps it wouldn't be worse than shit.
^this.
Plus their continued lack of Fuck Buttons-ing, and their The Enemy worship makes it nigh-on unreadable.
that
was a dumb reply. but they need to pick better music.
....
it generally gets brought into our office weekly, and the only time anyone reads it is when they are going for the 11 o'clock work poo...
But what is worth reading out there? what is the best alternative?
It's the 'how to be like your favourite indie star' that gets me.
Plus all the celeb gossip. It'd be nice to see a little focus.
it
got worse when they started the "stuff we want" section.
the NME has got worse
it's not just nostalgia. Pick up an issue from 2000 and compare it to now, it's really fucking depressing.
The 'beating heart of the new independent music scene' is what it should be.
THEY REVIEW 4 GIGS A WEEK.
FOUR. A fucking disgrace. Sponsored by Shockwaves.
4 gigs?
I didn't realise things had got that bad.
Still, circa 2000 they were creaming themselves over the likes of Terris, Monaco, Geneva and Campag Velocet!
I read the NME by mistake last week
I was looking for the Beano
I hope you hid it behind a copy of Top Heavy and 40+
.
melody maker
was shit! why are people acting like it was something great, they hyped limp bizkit for fuck sake.
am i the only one
who's aware of nme's review policy?
:
the reviews editor reserves the right to down/upgrade any review depending on the the magazine's stance on the band in question. this effectively makes a mockery of the reviewer's opinion, as the reviews editor can do what he likes.
how do i know? because 2 of my band's albums have had reviews downgraded. the words contained in said reviews read like a ten, but both were marked at seven. i know the reviewer in question, and he finds the policy pretty abhorrent himself.
i must say, it is a fairly comforting feeling knowing that, contrary to what most bands think/want, NME coverage is the last thing any band needs. it's the kiss of fucking death, and although it's been said for a long time now, i'm sure their days are numbered.
yeah i used to play a little game with myself when i got the review page.
i'd cover up the number and make a guess at what score it got. I was nearly always wrong (except for the "big" half page spread reviews which were fairly obvious to guess).
Someone told me a few years a Biffy album (either infinity land or vertigo of bliss) was meant to get a 9 but it got a 7 or something. That was the first time i'd heard about that rule.
I did not know that
but it makes so much sense. I cringe every time I see the column: "I want to dress like".
as a former NME reviewer
the ratings can be changed, but that's because they only use 9 and 10 for things which are "year-defining" in their books (so naturally, not what you might want to see get a 9 or 10). The reviews editor is actually a lovely chap, who never changed my work too much. Also, some PR companies say that they don't want the review of their act printed if it's given less than X/10.
But aside from that, I don't like what the NME has become (but then, I no longer like the bands I liked at the time I bought NME regularly, so perhaps it is an age thing?)
it
was only last decent about 10 years ago, when it was cool and actually a paper not a colourful magazine for 13 year old girls.
I bought it religiously
from August 2004 - December 2005.
I grew out of it. I've learnt to ignore it now, along with all the shit music it promotes.
same here
i used to rely on it for music, then i disocvered post rock and real music and started reading DiS instead :)
Hahah.
It was similar for me to be honest, but then I realised DiS was just as bad. :D
heh heh
good point, but tis the lesser of two evils i guess... :)
I heard about that downgrading rule
when The Tears album was apprently downgraded from a ten to an eight.Bizzarre but apparently true
surely the downgrading rule kinda makes sense?
If you get someone there who really loves a band, and they get the album review, they're going to give it a ten. Whereas in the grade scheme of things its not up there with the best albums ever made.
I'd hate it if I could guess the mark based on the reviewer - oh its Tim Chester doing Klaxons so thats a ten, and Nathaniel Cramp doing Sara Beth Tucek so that'll be a ten too, Mark Beaumont doing Babyshambles - that'll be a two or three.
I do think it is a slight shame but I also think it has some logic behind it. I think it's a fine balance between letting each hack voice their opinion but also having a more general stance from the magazines point of view.
I dont think I'm explaining myself very well.
How would you all suggest they improve the magazine? what would make it good 'again'???
they should get a new editor
And make its target audience 18-25 years olds, not 12-16 year olds...
and, they should print it as a paper again...
what would u want from the new editor?
how would you target the older age group?
I'd like to see longer more in depth articles on a wider range of acts and I'd like to see more live reviews.
i dont
know how, but it worked 12 years ago
get some decent writers in
and sack that cunt of an editor.
And make coverage independent of advertiser spend.
Fuck it, just let it die.
more gigs reviewed per week,
no downgrading/upgrading rule, but to balance that have an alternate verdict paragraph at the end of each review. Plus stop making scenes. also, I'd get rid of the "I want to sound like" and the "stuff we want". Plus I'd get rid of the fron cover designs, and the hyperbole.
why
is the downgrading thing an issue at moment? they need to start reviewing decent bands in the first place i think.
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i would get rid of the pictures, the columns,the paragraphs, the words, the ink and maybe even the paper. then i would just throw my money down a drain to simulate the feeling of purchasing a copy......i would also call this new way of buying it 'nu-drain'
hah hah hah
:) yeah i think the thing is pretty much unsaveable now
I think thats a defeatist attitude
I think its so easy to all sit here and say how rubbish it is but it's much harder to pin point how it can be improved. I agree that its lacking a lot and there are better magazines out there you can get for free - but I still think there is a place for it they just need to have a rethink.
Like the others said
It's in an excellent position, and could do a whole lot more. New editor could pull it out of the bag, I have every faith.
If the NME changed significantly
in the way that people want, it would cease to exist. There's not a big enough market for that kind of weekly paper - if there was Plan B, Artrocker or Stool Pigeon would have stepped up to the mark.
Get used to - it's just nostalgia that keeps everyone bemoaning the state of the NME. I can live without it.
Harsh
good
point
wah wah wah!